The discussion on the Leonardo mailing list Artists and Scientists in Times of War was focusing on the problem of the action (what to do) for the reason actually arriving from founding of Leonardo, 40 years ago.

Somewhere Roger Malina's comment on my first post was lost (seems there is a bug on it), so I am copy pasting a part of it I found in e-mails:

"Leonardo was founded by a generation of artists and scientists traumatized by the Second World War and dedicated to connecting the arts and sciences as part of a strategy to build a saner world." (R. Malina)

Trevor Batten has reacted on this opening up several of questions focused on actual assistance of (some) artists in scientists in the war, but then withdrawing from the discussion that could have been interesting indeed.

So, my proposal to try to find the hidden currency of exchange of victims in terms of the neo-liberal economy, being a part of the concept for the web-page of the project set by Pike is still waiting for a good mathematician.

Namely, there seem to be very precise way to count how the importance of victims is "translated" in the discourse (as well as children labor for global brands; in terms of salary, for which reason I am actually naming this neo-liberal economy too). They are indicated when displacing numbers in discourses of speaking, in terms of "1" of ours for "xx" of theirs, or "1 soldier" for "xxx" of civilians or "1 adult" for "xxx of children that can be almost measured precisely, looking at the first page set by Pike. Namely - foreign victims start to appear only after number of 7 as I see. A single victim "abroad" is more important than local victims, too, especially if they are soldiers.

Still, another discussion has been opened between participants of "Learning from..."

After a meeting in Belgrade, a new "Learning from..." meeting was held in Moderna Museet in Stockholm bringing up, along with the another topic in the field of post-socialistic studies - the comparative analysis of Swedish society usually compared with it (as Swedish institute says - incorrectly), some more of materials to deal with.

Works of artists as Maja Bajević (Bosnia and Herzegovina), Šejla Kamerić (Bosnia and Herzegovina), Nebojša Šerić - Šoba (Bosnia and Herzegovina), Sanja Iveković (Croatia), design of Anur Hadžiomerspahić (Bosnia and Herzegovina), but also Škart's (Serbia) design of toolkits for the Woman in Black initiative were also connected to the topic of - of media use of victims.

A list of artists trying "to do" something for the victims of Vietnam, Srebrenica, Sarajevo, widows or woman anti-war campaign is really large and maybe there would be more information on artworks added on this blog.

Most of them are photographic interventions in designs or montage, but also there are some video works.

Nebojša Šerić Šoba Untitled (Sarajevo-Montecarlo). 1998. 2 Photos.
Šejla Kamerić Bosnian Girl. poster.2003
Sanja Iveković Gen XX. poster. 1997-2001
Martha Rosler Bringing war home. photomontage.1967-72
Graziela Taquini Granada 2005
Enrique Arroyo Another American Dream, 2005